DJ Argue’s latest Grime Debate on Rinse FM finds him joined by East London grime pioneer Wiley for a virtual discussion of his new album Godfather 3, his musical legacy, and his move from artist to businessman following what is allegedly his final studio album.

The pair address a wide array of subjects including the LP’s seemingly perpetual delays, Aitch’s recent comments that no one younger than him listens to grime, the possibility of a DJ Khaled-styleWiley Presents album, and Wiley’s plans for bringing through the next generation of MCs including Ten Dixon and Jammz as he steps back from the spotlight.

Listen to the interview above.